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Thanks, all!
@jean wrote:
Thanks for your Linked in invitation Christine (I suppose you have sent one / or was it sent automaticaly?).
I have always thought that Linked in invitation are mostly NOT sent by people inviting one, but by the clever system of Linked in. So I’m normally never answering to invitation. But my appreciation may be wrong. Are people that are inviting other always involved in the inviting process? If yes I will have to change my way of looking at those invitation…..
Jean
Once in a while you may get an invitation from someone you don’t know, but if you’re getting invitations from people you do know, they’ve invited you themselves.
Sorry….an exception to that…once I clicked on a link at LinkedIn asking me to find who I know in my email, and LinkedIn automatically invited everyone on my email list, much to my chagrin. So now I am linked to a few people I don’t ever remember emailing. A few other people I know have had the same thing happen. So be careful about that.
How did everyone react to the FAQs you wrote?
@cascoly wrote:
@shelma1 wrote:
@klsbear wrote:
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So are you saying now that this was all for nothing as none of us can use this?
No, everyone is free to use or modify it, with the exceptions of Cathleen and Cihan.
Do you not join a network of websites and a group of artists when you use Symbiostock? I thought that was the beauty of the whole thing. Otherwise people can use anything to build their own independent, unconnected site, as I have.
I was trying to stay out of this, but that’s just plain silly — you’re trying to claim a retroactive copyright?
your responses to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism have been totally unprofessional – all the critiques have been accompanied by POSITIVE suggestions for how to fix problems and serious misunderstandings in your writing. posts were directed at the written product you produced and you reply with ad hominem attacks
steve
How can I claim a retroactive copyright? By publishing here (or anywhere) I automatically own the copyright to my work; I am allowing usage, as all of us do when we allow sites to sell rights to use our copyrighted work.
“The author of a work is the initial owner of the copyright in it, and may exploit the work himself or transfer some or all the rights conferred by the copyright to others. The author generally is the person who conceives of the copyrightable expression and fixes it or causes it to be fixed in a tangible form.”
@christine wrote:
I have joined some web design forums and have threads there, also just started on LinkedIn – not very easy place to navigate but have done one discussion/promotion there so far linking to symbiostock.com/org/info depending on submitter or customer. I need more connections I think to make it work and it is not all that easy to connect without a paid service as you cannot contact people direct, if anyone has any tips on that I would appreciate them.
Link to me. 🙂 http://www.linkedin.com/in/michelepaccione/
There are many groups there you can join….photography groups, design groups, advertising groups…and you can start threads in those groups.
LinkedIn is where most people I know get jobs/work.
@grsphoto wrote:
I like it. Well done!!!
Couple of quick things I noticed
A) Forums are at Symbiostock.org, not Symbiostock.net.
B) The line:
@shelma1 wrote:When you join, you’ll find we’ve done most of the work for you. Just sign up for hosting and a free domain name at bluehost.com.
Makes it sound like bluehost is the only site that can be used. It is the one the Leo recommends but any decent host will do, and if you already have your own domain and hosting, it is a breeze to add a Symbiostock wordpress site.
Maybe change it to….”Just sign up for hosting and a domain name at sites such as bluehost.com”
Glenn
Is there a host anyone would recommend over bluehost?
Great. The only change I would make is the spelling of “independent.” It definitely needed a call to action, but I wasn’t sure what it should be. Good job!
@klsbear wrote:
@shelma1 wrote:
You’re all free to change or modify whatever you like. If there are problems with Bluehost, though, I’d recommend changing the online instructions. If you want to attract artists, I’d keep things as simple as possible so you don’t scare people away.
@shelma1 wrote:
No, you can’t. I own the copyright to my work. You absolutely do not have my permission to use one word of it.
Shelma, I’m a bit confused. In the first post quoted you say we can change or modify what we like and later say no we can not change one word and implying copyright violation if we use it.
I thought your overall summary was good but agree that cidepix and Cathy have valid concerns with use of specific terms like commission and join that make it sound like there is a central agency.
So are you saying now that this was all for nothing as none of us can use this?
No, everyone is free to use or modify it, with the exceptions of Cathleen and Cihan.
Do you not join a network of websites and a group of artists when you use Symbiostock? I thought that was the beauty of the whole thing. Otherwise people can use anything to build their own independent, unconnected site, as I have.
@cathyslife stockphotos wrote:
@grsphoto wrote:
@cathyslife stockphotos wrote:
I guess you can consider me a bad client too then because i agree with what cidepix has said. He is only telling the truth about what SY is and isnt, and i dont see any “jumping down throats” or ” smackdowns”, as you also like to say, going on.
It is very important that the message that goes out is correct. Everyone appreciates the time you have spent on this, but if you are unwilling to listen and the wrong message gets out, it will do no one any good.
I only see cidepix giving you constructive criticism, just as i tried to do in another thread. He thanked you once and apologized three times in his message but you didnt notice that. You are immediately offended, and in your post below have even resorted to likening people to istock forum moderators, in essence name calling.
If you think SY is the plague, perhaps it is best that you do avoid it. It does take patience to get a SY site going, and not everyone will be cut out for it.
OK Cathy and Cidpex show us how to do it right!
What was provided is a much needed MARKETING piece. Is it 100% accurate…no, but it does it job of getting people interested which is what we need. Can we tweak it..sure.
If all you are going to do is shit all over someone elses hard work, then you have to be able to offer alternatives.
Cidepix already did. It doesnt matter to me so much because i will do exactly as has been said. I can take the parts and tweak them as i like. So both you and shelma must have skipped over the parts where we thanked shelma for her work. 🙂
Getting people interested should NOT be accomplished by misrepresenting what SY is, imho.
This thread is going nowhere so i will bow out now. I have images to upload and im trying to find out why leos name is showing up on my images in a google search. To me, that is much more pressing. Oh, and getting sales.
No, you can’t. I own the copyright to my work. You absolutely do not have my permission to use one word of it.
@cathyslife stockphotos wrote:
I guess you can consider me a bad client too then because i agree with what cidepix has said. He is only telling the truth about what SY is and isnt, and i dont see any “jumping down throats” or ” smackdowns”, as you also like to say, going on.
It is very important that the message that goes out is correct. Everyone appreciates the time you have spent on this, but if you are unwilling to listen and the wrong message gets out, it will do no one any good.
I only see cidepix giving you constructive criticism, just as i tried to do in another thread. He thanked you once and apologized three times in his message but you didnt notice that. You are immediately offended, and in your post below have even resorted to likening people to istock forum moderators, in essence name calling.
If you think SY is the plague, perhaps it is best that you do avoid it. It does take patience to get a SY site going, and not everyone will be cut out for it.
Oh, you’re the original bad client, absolutely. But it’s Leo’s hope to attract more people to Symbiostock, which is why I volunteered to write copy for free. I saw people were struggling to get their message across in the Microstock Group forums. I saw some could use help with the writing on their Symbiostock sites.
I’ve put a lot of of my time into writing, and spent more time trying to get started on Symbiostock, which unfortunately turned out to be a very frustrating process. I already have my own website. I didn’t have to do one minute of it.
Comments like yours only help drive people away. It’s counterproductive to all the work Leo and others have put into Symbiostock.
Why you would make comments like these to people who are volunteering to help is beyond me, really. I don’t get it. And yes, it does remind me very much of the arrogance of the folks at iStock, which is going down in flames.
But like I said, it’s only a few of you. Everyone else has been very nice. For some reason you can’t see the difference.
@cidepix wrote:
I did NOT like it at all.. needs many corrections.. I am sorry in advance if I sound too harsh but these need to be told..
first of all, Shelma, I appreciate you writing a description.. and have been reading your comments, but you actually STILL have no idea of what symbiostock actually is..
no offence, but you must realize what symbiostock is NOT before writing a description:
1- it is NOT an agency..
2- we are NO contributors.. drop “for contributors”.. we are the owners of our own sites, own domain names, own hosting.. symbiostock is JUST A TOOL.. there are others available such as K-TOOLS and CMSACCOUNT.. but we prefer symbiostock as it has a networking aspect that may prove to be very useful for SEO and google rankings..
3- as stated above, bluehost is an option but NOT a must..
4- we do NOT receive %100 commissions.. We keep %100 of royalties as the store and content belong to us.. royalties, not commissions..
5- you do NOT join! instead, you download the script and open you own shop.. there is nowhere to join as it is NOT an agency.. you open the store and you link with other store owners.. you can choose with whom you will link.. you are not linked to anyone by default.. in fact, you may opt not to link to anyone, and be a totally independent site if you wish.. so network is optional.. anyone using symbiostock theme can very well be a one-man-show if they prefer..
6- again: no %100 commissions (should be called %100 revenue or royalties)… no agency (should be self-hosted), no contributors (should be artists, photographers etc.)You’re what people in the ad industry call a “bad client.” everyone else who commented was nice and offered constructive criticism, but you immediately jumped down my throat.
Most of the people here are nice, but a couple are so nasty it really makes me want to avoid Symbiostock like the plague.
I promised I’d write a second description targeted towards buyers, so I’ll do that. But with reception I’ve gotten here, I think that will be it for me, unfortunately. Some of you sound like iStock. forum moderators.
You’re all free to change or modify whatever you like. If there are problems with Bluehost, though, I’d recommend changing the online instructions. If you want to attract artists, I’d keep things as simple as possible so you don’t scare people away.
I’m willing to be the guinea pig if someone is willing to be the scientist.
I would try again, if things were simplified.
Thanks, redneck, Christine.
I can go ahead and write some copy, but it will be missing what I think is the most important information for new contributors: how it works. This is the biggest stumbling block. Too many sites to coordinate, and difficult to follow the instructions and set things up without many questions to folks on the forums. At this point I think Symbiostock needs consolidation of the various different sites and reworking of the setup instructions.
The more artists you can attract the more attractive the network will be for buyers, and I think it could really snowball into something great.
What do you think?
