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hi there guys!
does this include domain?
I am only thinking bigger Cihan! I believe Symbio would rock out having more artists and more content and faster! can’t say I haven’t tried!
best of luck 🙂
I was a part of WP as well, I believe this is a totally different project, 1st at Symbio any contributor can join, 2nd we can all decide where to invest the money if we turn Symbio into something like a cooperative
like I have said here we need to invest in marketing, so a big % would be for that
yes its a lot of work, I believe the gross is done already, not only the website but the focus we all have in being paid fairly!
sure I understand and that makes sense!
@cascoly wrote:
from replies in MSG, there’s no real indication there are hundreds of people who would immediately submit to a site like this — just a few responses to the ‘why aren’t you using symbio ‘ threads
lots of work for anyone who undertakes this —
–need a solid accounting system, and abilty to track every sale, then distribute payment5s.
–how would you even know who’s image was sold?
–who sets the prices?
–who deals with the submitter questions & uploading problems?
— why settle for 10-20% of sales rather than concentrating on 100% from your own images?
— how do you keep all submiters separate so they can edit their own images but not mess with others?– accounting system would be similar to an agency, we would have all PP address, MB or other and it would be redirected to our account, then we would collect payment when we wish or lets say once a month to lower expenses
– we would know if we had a sale just like symbio is done already, why not?
– we can agree on a pricing or we can pick our own pricing
– submitter / uploading questions? there will be no reviews also, an admin would work that out, just like Leo is doing solving bugs, etc
– settle for 10-20%? like I have said we can collect even the 100%, just need to pay someone for design, bugs, etc, then I believe we should pick a % to drive traffic, marketing, seo, if we don’t do that I don’t believe we will be able to fight even small agencies
– we will have an account and workspace like a regular agency, there we would work metadata, pricing, paypal address, etcagency – marketplace (that is the right word)
that is very interesting Leo, looks like I am not alone in my dream 😀
cheers Glenn!
I don’t have the skills and time as well, believe I will keep on thinking about this, thanks again for all replies guys, keep them coming 🙂
is there any symbio site doing this already?
@pixelsonthego wrote:
Hi Luis, at this time something like this, is still premature.
People here are tired to hear something that appear too similar to agencies. However I think that in a bit of time we will see the born of closed network in symbiostock environment, which is the closest thing to what you are thinking. One of these network probably will allow other artists to upload in their own website and network, with some sort of agreement.
What I like to think about me: I’m an independent, an entrepreneur that can accept to fail but don’t want sort of boss that tell me how I must made my business. Agencies stay away.
Luis if for any reason I will change my mind, and will allow other fellow to upload some work to my website stay sure that I’ll keep between 8% and 15% which is more than enough. This is why I don’t need agencies that act as re-distributor and which take almost all the money gained from images that they don’t produce. An agent can keep a share and work for me not vice-versa.
About the marketing problem. The network seems to work fine. To improve and increase the brand recognition in future maybe we can do some common action. At some point I think that some members will put some effort to publicize their site and maybe when the network will reach the 500 000 images or 500 website or both we can afford a campaign in adword to promote symbiostock.info; 10/15 buck from 150 members can drain a lot of visit I think.some interesting points here as well!
like I have said I believe that a ton of contributors are holding anxiously to try Symbio and perhaps the 15% for you or other artist at Symbio might be a solution, how much a regular server hold?
liked the last part of your post where you talked about investing money into promoting the .info, makes total sense
thanks for your reply!
@shazamimages wrote:
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but this sort of idea has been discussed ad infinitum for the past 5+ years. (I know because I have been a part of many of the discussions).
The reason that it never got off the ground is because everyone has a different idea of how it should be implemented and nobody wants to spend their own time (for FREE) building something that might never work. All everybody ever does is argue about how it should be done. Who is going to approve images? How do you handle bad keywords? Who gets to the top of the search results? Etc.
In addition, once you build a website, you would have to figure out how to get people to go to your website. That is one of the reasons that I never built my own website. There are around 1 billion web sites on the Internet. How is someone going to find yours? That is one of the brilliant ideas behind Symbiostock – the fact that you are all linking to each other (which raises your SEO scores with the search engines).
sure I have been on many of those discussions too, doing stock since March 2009 so yeah I know the troubles around this kind of marketplace, cooperative, whatever we wanna call it but again I don’t want an agency, I just wish we could all join efforts and make symbio even bigger
yes the main focus is bringing buyers in, no doubt there but I can tell you something, SS and other agencies don’t have buyers, they have millions invested in marketing, advertising, etc if they stop our income will dry as well, so we need to invest very much on that and of course feeding all type of social networking informing the max number of persons what agencies do systematically, insanely hard job
I am only suggesting one symbio site to make it easier to the artists, one platform for everybody, no need of building website, register domain, dealing with bugs and designs issues, I am sure if a symbio artist involved open his site to all artists I believe that most (if not all) will send work, even if they aren’t going to sell the next day or even making a ton of money, just for clean their minds they will give it a try, if nothing happens in a few years then that is a different story
my idea idea stands on spending the money we receive from each license, that % would be spent on marketing, ads like SS does so intensely and perhaps why they grow quarter after quarter
thanks for your reply!
@grsphoto wrote:
luissantos84:
Who would pay the start up costs?
Who would pay for the bandwidth?
Who would pay for the staff?Symbiostock works because I pay for my own site and I hope to make my money back in time.
don’t pop all the questions, try to answer them too as well 🙂
I believe we could set an entry fee to work those expenses and perhaps a small fee for each upload too
@ajt wrote:
I think that, sooner or later, someone would do it. I don’t mean Symbio working like agency, with % for admin etc, but something that we could call “Symbiostock Farm”. It could be hosting dedicated only to Symbiostock. Registration, payment, and you have your own subdomain with Symbio site ready for uploading. All you pay for would be:
– server space for your files,
– script mainstained and upgraded by admin,
– help, support, backup,
– your subdomain.maindomain.com or/and maindomain.com/subdomain,
– indexing and promotion in main search engine at maindomain.com.that looks like interesting indeed!
I am thinking of simplifying Symbio, imagine how many artists and submissions Symbio would have if there was just a simple registration and a smooth submission platform, perhaps I am dreaming but I dare saying over 1 Million in a month
how many are holding for something like that? I bet all MSG community would join in a heart beat
it’s an idea let’s not make it personal, it’s not what I want, I don’t even know how it would work out, it’s a simple sketch, main goal it’s the same as symbio which is bury some if not all agencies and get a fair amount for each license, thanks for your reply Christine!
